tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post8802375189496412534..comments2023-10-25T02:14:11.431-07:00Comments on Living Vicuriously, aka Pasadena Daily Photo, has moved.: Living in the PastPetrea Burchardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-66019274734681416262012-08-31T07:23:29.056-07:002012-08-31T07:23:29.056-07:00PA is an excellent resource, Susan, as is the No 7...PA is an excellent resource, Susan, as is the No 710 Freeway Extension Facebook group.Petrea Burchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-81239213644537298092012-08-30T23:43:53.891-07:002012-08-30T23:43:53.891-07:00Well-said, Petrea. I've been out of commission...Well-said, Petrea. I've been out of commission this week, sick with bronchitis but also working so I've been out of the loop. I'll catch up on this evil story in the next couple of days... but I like the hints I've gotten from PA.Susan Campisihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07255628787592008617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-69885582870516468632012-08-29T13:58:20.424-07:002012-08-29T13:58:20.424-07:00It seems an exaggeration to say it, PA, but readin...It seems an exaggeration to say it, PA, but reading some of the stuff that has come out lately about Caltrans has me believing in evil. It is so weird!Petrea Burchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-84888733155578855262012-08-29T12:07:06.881-07:002012-08-29T12:07:06.881-07:00I see. No, that was not the intent of my comment. ...I see. No, that was not the intent of my comment. It's about turning the blame on the renter for the outward appearance of State owned properties. By bringing up the eviction notice at the LA City Council, I believe it had a damning effect on Metroscheme. They are supposed to maintain those properties but have failed. The recent audit has them scrambling to cover their asses. For instance, building materials that were purchased at Home Depot included a 30% mark-up. The list goes on. Metroscheme has proved to be a vindictive and vicious landlord. This is a start...<br /><br />http://www.pasadenaweekly.com/cms/story/detail/the_man_who_knew___and_said___too_much/8571/Pasadena Adjacenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09031325790590238246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-15279299615825852702012-08-28T20:17:30.188-07:002012-08-28T20:17:30.188-07:00Well stated, Petrea. I hope there is enough opposi...Well stated, Petrea. I hope there is enough opposition to stop the freeway extension.Ms Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07960193596384417988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-54969300410827590062012-08-28T20:08:22.967-07:002012-08-28T20:08:22.967-07:00LH/Roberta, yes.
I live in Northwest Pasadena, as...LH/Roberta, yes.<br /><br />I live in Northwest Pasadena, as you know. I once read an online discussion about a Craftsman mansion in the area that was priced high because it was worth it--and people were saying what a dangerous area NW Pas is, how they would never consider buying here, etc. I thought a)they've never been here and b)I hope they never show up and discover how good we've got it. Today during rush hour I was able to stand in the middle of my beautiful, tree-lined street to take photographs because there was no traffic. I love it here.<br /><br />Thanks, Michael. Thanks, Margaret.Petrea Burchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-68178420506943081632012-08-28T19:48:23.251-07:002012-08-28T19:48:23.251-07:00Good job, Petrea! Well said.Good job, Petrea! Well said.Margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668487489667818687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-40823571081350995132012-08-28T17:17:43.755-07:002012-08-28T17:17:43.755-07:00"Freeways have served their purpose, but here..."Freeways have served their purpose, but here in the 21st century where you and I live they represent a disappearing, unenlightened age."<br /><br />Wow. That's really good.Michael Coppesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17662927233777789003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-26136457796354636522012-08-28T16:57:01.378-07:002012-08-28T16:57:01.378-07:00I think you are almost at the point that I hear wh...I think you are almost at the point that I hear when people talk about not going north of the freeway. <br /><br />The point is that I hear is that being poor is bad, therefore the people that live in poverty are bad. That being poor means that the area is a dangerous place. I lived in an area of poverty, but had a very healthy childhood.<br /><br />One tiny bit of revision to the history of the 210 - folks were compensated and were able to buy in other parts of the area. I know of some folks that were able to move to Hastings ranch. This was not the same sort of thing that happened in Chavez Ravine.<br /><br />Still the idea of encouraging the physical division of communities is a very unwise choice.Latino Heritagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184286331105672582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-38765024710235644002012-08-28T16:07:24.848-07:002012-08-28T16:07:24.848-07:00Laura, I must respectfully disagree. Fossil fuels ...Laura, I must respectfully disagree. Fossil fuels are harder and harder to come by, we must pollute the planet in order to extract them. Allowing cars that carry one or two people at a time to go at highway speeds has almost no effect on emissions when you compare that to the efficiency of moving hundreds of people at the same time for the same amount of fuel, or better yet, with electricity.<br /><br />I can't speak about South Pasadena's history with this fight because I don't know it well enough. And it's no longer relevant, as they are not the only community in this anymore.<br /><br />As for a tunnel here in earthquake territory--well, I wouldn't use it.<br /><br />PA, I'm thrilled you were at that meeting with the white and the brown and the beige and the black. Wow, Caltrans has the nerve to evict people already? Are they that sure they're going to build this thing?Petrea Burchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-14063449993447445252012-08-28T14:25:11.799-07:002012-08-28T14:25:11.799-07:00Me and Patrizzi Intergalactic are doing the happy ...Me and Patrizzi Intergalactic are doing the happy dance. This is the first time the city of Los Angeles has gone on record opposing all 710 Freeway extensions. Pretty heady stuff for those of us who attend these things. Pasadena Adjacenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09031325790590238246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-80400776567857626622012-08-28T14:21:48.309-07:002012-08-28T14:21:48.309-07:00Your wrong Laura. And the brown skinned people sho...Your wrong Laura. And the brown skinned people showed up at city hall in mass. One read a recent eviction notice Cal Trans sent out to one of it's El Sereno tenets dated august 24. Wow, what could silence people faster then having your boogyman landlord threaten you with eviction for voicing an opinion. Pasadena Adjacenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09031325790590238246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-82500330176413029972012-08-28T12:24:34.751-07:002012-08-28T12:24:34.751-07:00Boy, I am going to be in trouble, but...I want a 7...Boy, I am going to be in trouble, but...I want a 710 Freeway extension. It will reduce emissions on our surface streets and save gasoline by allowing cars to go at highway speeds. <br /><br />BTW, South Pas was fine with the 710 extension when it was first planned for East LA instead of SP. It would have displaced far more people who would have had a more difficult time recovering, but hey, they were lower income folks with brown skin, so who cared?<br /><br />And please don't suggest rail--SP tried its darnedest to derail the Gold Line, despite it being built on a right-of-way that had freight trains running twice daily until just a few years prior to the Gold Line plans. <br /><br />A tunnel would not disrupt the city businesses, but they are against even that. <br /><br />Until SP decides as a community to not use any freeways at all, I find their opposition to be disingenuous. Don't think for a moment South Pasadenans will not use the 710 extension, especially if it went anywhere else but there.Laura Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948802112179073414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-6961212701440719922012-08-28T12:07:14.962-07:002012-08-28T12:07:14.962-07:00Diana, you're more knowledgeable about this is...Diana, you're more knowledgeable about this issue than I am and I'm grateful for your comment. I didn't know rail was controlled by the Feds. I agree and I hope people will demand railways. There will likely be something, and if we want a compromise we'd better ask for that one.Petrea Burchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-57422412657810329172012-08-28T12:03:56.310-07:002012-08-28T12:03:56.310-07:00Book Dragon, I've been thinking about what you...Book Dragon, I've been thinking about what you said. Thank you. I get preachy, so lately I've been trying to add humor to my diatribes. It comes out kind of snarky, as Patrizzi pointed out the other day (in a good way). Perhaps snark is something for me to pursue!<br /><br />KBF: knocking down a mountain in a wealthy area. Kind of like building alongside an Arroyo on Pasadena's west side. Are we seeing a pattern? Target beautiful, expensive neighborhoods and see what payoffs you can get?<br /><br />PA, we anticipate your report.<br /><br />LH, that's exactly what I was referring to. Some people who live south of the freeway think we're all living in slums and poverty up here! That's how little they know of this part of Pasadena. When the 210 came through, who got displaced (poor people and people of color) and where they were shoved off to (the projects) when they had originally been homeowners and business owners (their businesses ruined, too) is a shameful part of our history. They were never compensated, nor will today's displaced people be compensated. That's only one reason why the 710 extension must never happen.<br /><br />Exactly, Dive. You get my point. <br />Goods need to be transported from the ports, of course. But perhaps we could take a tip from the UK and transport them by more efficient, less expensive, less polluting railways.Petrea Burchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-50099585775491446012012-08-28T11:56:15.652-07:002012-08-28T11:56:15.652-07:00Looks like the L.A. City Council adopted the Trans...Looks like the L.A. City Council adopted the Transportation Committee's recommendation, a good first step in a large local agency putting pressure on a larger local agency. The issue of rail to move freight from the harbor is one we should all get behind, but it will be difficult because rail is controlled by the Feds, and all this talk of freeway connectors and tunnels is an effort to keep control in the hands of local agencies, at the expense of common sense and what's best for the environment (and people are part of that environment, lest we forget). I sincerely hope the groups that have rallied against the 710 connector will begin to apply some pressure on the rail issue.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828934507373117828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-66287514874978468442012-08-28T11:49:26.216-07:002012-08-28T11:49:26.216-07:00Kudos to the LA Transportation Committee!
And yay ...Kudos to the LA Transportation Committee!<br />And yay you for keeping the pressure on, Petrea.<br />Love the photo, by the way; other than the makes of cars it could be straight out of the 1950s.<br />And by the way, why do they need another bloody freeway if nobody's using this one? Do the drivers want one each?divehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12938980502783421961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-14975065979172673482012-08-28T10:09:51.801-07:002012-08-28T10:09:51.801-07:00Your last sentences hit the core for me. As a chi...Your last sentences hit the core for me. As a child who lived through the freeway that destroyed homes in East Los I know what it's like to walk home over the noise and the fumes. <br /><br />As an adult, learning about where I now live and seeing what happened as a result of the 210/134, a great socio economic divide was reinforced. A multicultural neighborhood that was primarily "established bluecollar" was decimated. <br /><br />There are folks who live South of the freeway, who will not go north of the freeway - and folks North of the freeway who talk about those South of the freeway. Latino Heritagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184286331105672582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-54288645886041351182012-08-28T09:02:41.308-07:002012-08-28T09:02:41.308-07:00on my way down nowon my way down nowPasadena Adjacenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09031325790590238246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-86341513729617495112012-08-28T08:56:22.421-07:002012-08-28T08:56:22.421-07:00@Petrea: The area I live in is considered higher e...@Petrea: The area I live in is considered higher end, and I think if it goes thru ( they said ten years ago it was suppose to go in 5) it would cheapen the area and lose its exclusivity.. So far nothing has happened but the lane set up is 4 each way w/50mph speed.. Stupid since there are three schools near where they want to knock down the mountain!. Can u imagine the traffic accidents?, as well as kids getting hit?????Kalei's Best Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12331539743751163269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-37635421818479021792012-08-28T08:02:34.588-07:002012-08-28T08:02:34.588-07:00There is a better way, Bellis, there are better wa...There is a better way, Bellis, there are better ways. And you've already mentioned one.<br /><br />KBF, don't let them do it. The freeway is an ancient idea whose time is past. It's no longer commensurate with modern technology. Caltrans officials know it. Make them live up to the 21st century.Petrea Burchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13043950465171821852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-17707909770489350862012-08-28T07:57:56.109-07:002012-08-28T07:57:56.109-07:00At the start of the 710 in Long Beach, it still sa...At the start of the 710 in Long Beach, it still says Pasadena on the sign. It's the same at the junction of the 5 and the 710. Until Caltrans rewords those signs, they will try to get to Pasadena.<br /><br />There needs to be a better way to get freight, such as fresh produce from the Central Valley, quickly to the port of Los Angeles, the largest port on the west coast, and to get imports from the port to the rest of the USA. This is where all those goods "Made in China" come into the country. Most of the container trucks leaving the port already head for the freight trains, but loading the trains takes time, and they chug along incredibly slowly. How about fast roll on-roll off trains like the ones that take freight trucks through the English channel tunnel? It'd mean building large loading and unloading terminals and new track north and east, but it could be done. Does anyone have any other (realistic) suggestions that we could pass on to the politicians as an alternative to the freeway extension?<br />Bellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10168550139269893109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-32350522871482185412012-08-28T05:09:01.745-07:002012-08-28T05:09:01.745-07:00I so agree w/you on this!. I am dreading the day w...I so agree w/you on this!. I am dreading the day when our mountain west of us which divides us from Granada Hills is knocked over and then connects to GH... omg, the traffic will be horrendous!! somehow those city officials w/big, deep pockets will get what they want!. We will get the riff raff, more robberies and crime...Kalei's Best Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12331539743751163269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-91877453890276305562012-08-28T02:35:21.553-07:002012-08-28T02:35:21.553-07:00I love reading your posts when you feel passionate...I love reading your posts when you feel passionate about something!Book Dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11078900987400537432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1067046564433930606.post-91714163794880904042012-08-28T00:30:32.857-07:002012-08-28T00:30:32.857-07:00Say it, sister.
I'm pretty shocked that all ...Say it, sister. <br /><br />I'm pretty shocked that all this has come about again. Laurie Alleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14460272282273523408noreply@blogger.com